I have a brand new (bought Jan 2011) Circly Y Pioneer trail saddle with less than 15 rides on it. This saddle is gorgeous, super comfy and lightweight...unfortunately it is too long for my short backed gelding and is rubbing his hips. I paid 2250.00 for the saddle and pad..would like to get 1700 for both...an awesome deal for a new, quality saddle and close contact pad. I will deliver/ship for free depending on your location. Below is the link to the specs for this particular saddle and pad. My saddle is walnut in color....pad is gray with matching wear leathers.

http://www.fortwestern.com/store/product.php?productid=421817

http://www.shopatron.com/products/productdetail/part_number=0056-34/468.0.1.1.23771.0.0.0.0?pp=8&

forgot to mention...the saddle has a wide tree (same as full QH bars)