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PostSubject: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:08 pm

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Can anyone recommend a good vet for Laminitis, one that is use to dealing with this issue and familiar with all the signs?
For the HRM area.

Can anyone advise on a trip to PEI for full body dye and x-rays, this has been suggested, but not sure of cost, kind of scary. Can anyone tell me what the experience was like going to the Vet Collage? I have never had to do this before!

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:24 pm

have you ever heard of Barefoot trimming and hoof management along with Paddock Paradise???/ I dont want to butt in or change your mind about how you manage your horse care, but sometimes just changing diet and changing their environment and having them Hunt for their food makes a huge difference in dealing with laminitis.......I AM NO EXPERT.....but we do have girls who are......and you can also google Paddock Paradise

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:42 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:37 am

I agree with Joan on that one.
I believe we have the same
barefoot specialist and I cannot
believe how much more educated
I have become on the hoof and
whole animal health subjet in the
past year since I have switched to
barefoot.
You can PM either of us for details
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:14 am

Rob Wentzell at South Shore Vet.. Rob has a different outlook on the barefoot trims...


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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:37 pm

thanks Salsasue

that is what I needed a vet more familiar with this issue for support and questions, mine is at a loss and wants to send me to PEI and really not sure what is going on.

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:28 pm

Rob is your man...he's the best in this area.. :good_luck_grap
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:27 am

Hi
I recently had my guy to Keith Murch (he is our head provincial vet) in Fredericton (not sure where you are located). He is supposed to be one of the best when it comes to any kind of lameness issue. He is a kind patient man and I would use him again. I considered PEI...it is also supposed to be excellent as it is a teaching facility with every machine and scanner needed for good diagnostics, but from what I hear VERY pricey. If money is not an issue I would not hesitate to go there. All I had done in Fredericton was nerve blocks and xrays so I didn't require access to an MRI machine..in that case i'd have gone to PEI. You can always call Keiths office and have a chat..see what he and you think. 506-453-2210 Good luck...I know personally how heartbreaking it is to have a sick horse..hang in there.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:20 pm

Thanks amadtatter, I know you know what I am going through. I have done everything over the past year an a half, massage, chryo, exercises supplements, etc. I am so upset. May I draw upon your experience? I know your horse has been diagnosed with navicular, I am so sorry, I fear maybe the same:( Did he have continuing heat and digital pulse, or just lameness. My guy has not been that lame but I can tell he is not 100% constant heat and pulse, I have to keep a real close eye on him I have always had shoes as I trial ride a lot and on the old rails to trails system and it can be rough. I did however let him go barefoot after x-rays (that did show no rotation) for the winter to see if this would help and he just seemed the same. But did improve over the year to go light riding with the care of a great farrier. Now Friday he came up really sore on the front right I am just so frustrated, it just breaks my heart. Now back to x-rays and blood work to try and find out what could be causing the soreness.

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:48 pm

Hi there. I know how frustrating this is...lots of time, commitment, TLC, and not to mention money, with slight improvements at best. I have spent the last 3 years trying everything from massage therapy to photonic light therapy...read every bit of information I could for about 2 hours a night, took a barefoot trimming course, you name it, I've tried it. My gelding is not a show horse, just my trail buddy and the love of my life. I always knew there was something not right with him..paid my first vet bill only 3 weeks into ownership, and about 4 more since then for a gut feeling that something wasn't right..he just seemed off to me..nothing obvious. Three years later he has been diagnosed with navicular disease. He always had some slight heat in his front feet on and off...interestingly enough, the farrier says if the front feet feel the same, they dont have to feel the same (heat wise) as the back...as long as the fronts are the same and the backs are the same. As for pulses, it is ok to feel them as long as it isn't rapid (greater than 40 indicates pain) or bounding (which indicates inflammation). I have gotten into the habit of checking his pedal pulses every day so I know what is normal for him. He has always been barefoot except for the 6 days he wore natural balance shoes after seeing Dr Murch. I have always ridden him bare on the trails. He now has boots that I will wear on him from now on if I work him in any way. Here is the tricky thing with navicular...often (as in Boomer's case) a horse will look lame on one fore when it is actually lame on both fores...just one is worse than the other so it is difficult to tell. The thing that had me thinking navicular since the day I bought him, was his obvious toe first landing and "stiff" looking jog . The lameness was VERY hard to see at a walk or a lope...only at a jog, and only I knew it was there. Does your horse do that at all? I haven't ruled out shoes all together, but for now I am maintaining him barefoot until I try one more thing. There is a supplement in the states that has been getting lots of notice..is advertised in the quarterhorse journal and comes with a moneyback gaurantee..lots of GREAT testimonials online. It is only available in USA, so I have a girl driving into Idaho from BC to get it for me and shipping it to me from the west coast. If that doesn't work then I will decide what my next step is. So sorry this has turned into a short story...lol.
Anyways...if your vet feels laminitis is the cause for your problem, could there be some sort of metabolic issue going on? Low grade laminitis (which these horses sometimes have) is a little trickier to spot. Barefoot horsegirl is excellent with dietary advice when it comes to the feet. If you would like to call me just pm me for my number. I'm not sure if any of this made sense or helped...it is so hard watching a friend suffer. HUGS
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:52 am

We'll have to create a new section and call the the "The lame and gimpy". I have a clubfooted gelding and am beginning to wonder if it is something else as well causing the lameness. I cannot get him consistently sound. I am on the fence about going to see Dr. Murch it is so tough. With getting three kids outfitted for school, and in general clothed and fed, it isn't leaving much $$ left over. Cavallo has their boots on sale so I just ordered him a new pair, he is more comfortable with boots for riding (well walking around with me sitting on him lol) his old ones are quite worn. I did have the vet this summer and he put him on antibiotics for what he thought was a deep thrush infection. There is heat in his feet and although I can feel the pulse it isn't pounding or fast. He is one who also looks good at a walk, will canter across the pasture like a gorgeous wild horse, but looks ready for the meat truck at a trot. It is sooooo discouraging to see him like that. He is such a great boy.

Amadtatter what supplement are you trying? I need to get my guy on something and hopefully build some hoof. His walls are also thin so shoes aren't even an option.

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:58 pm

LOL Tango..we'll have to talk to Joan about adding that section.
The supplement is sold by a company called TLC Animal Nurtition out of Pennsylvania. If you google their site you can read all about the different supplements they sell...every different supp has a specific target. The one I am trying is EQUIBONE...people claim that it treats contions like spurs, calcium deposits, navicular bone degeneration and provide the X-rays to prove it. Since I am at the end of the "lets try this road" with Boomer, I am going to try it for 5 months and see what we get. They encourage people to keep a video diary of any progress (or not) which I am planning to do. As for Dr Murch...I will tell you exactly what it cost to help you decide. We arrived at 10 am...he watched me lunge...did nerve blocks ...watched me lunge again...sedated him for xrays (to protect the machine more than anything)...shot about 6 xrays in total (I think they said 45 bucks a shot). He reviewed the rads with me, made me a copy and we went home at about 5pm. The total was $677.00 (that didnt include trailering). I have spoken to him on the phone a couple of times since for advice at no charge. He was kind and gentle..we liked him alot and would use him again. That said, after all that loot spent, I have decided NOT to follow his advice on a couple of things as they just took me too far outside my comfort zone. He prescribed 2 grams of bute twice a day for 10 days followed by 1 gram of bute twice a day indefinately...apparently some people keep their NAV horses on low dose bute permanently. My thought is; if my horse is so uncomfortable he needs bute every day to walk around his pasture, some serious decisiond need to be made. Nerving him is NOT on my list of options. The shoes (also his advice) showed me NO improvement, as a matter of fact he looked worse. So, he is back to barefoot for now until after we try the supplement. I have spoken to two other vets and the opinion seems to be that no one thing works for all horses and I just have to keep trying different approaches until we find something that works. I don't hold much hope that he will ever be "sound"...but a nice relaxed trail ride every now and then would suit me just fine as long as he stays comfortable and happy. Hang in there Tango...sucks tho doesn't it?
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:50 pm

Thanks. That isn't a lot of money... but... it isn't pocket change either. Maybe in the spring.

My guy is more comfy with boots. I did have him on bute for a couple weeks to see, and it did help a bit, but I'm not comfortable keeping him on it long term. I just want to go for some nice little trail rides with my daughters.

My farrier does not like the New Balance shoes. Something to do with putting the breakover in the same place....I think, it was several weeks ago when he was last here and I had asked about them. He makes his own shoes and fits them to the horse.

Yeah, it does suck. I so hope you find what helps Boomer, he is a young horse isn't he. My guy is such a sweety and he and I have worked so hard together to get where we are. He has his issues and I'm so green myself, but we have really had some fun. At least I have - he hasn't actually said but he really perks up when I let him chase the chickens out of the riding ring. :cowgirlride.gi

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:26 pm

Well ladies it is sooooo nice to share information. This really does pull at the heart strings. Very frustrating. I agree on the bute if I have to keep my guy on bute on a constant basis then a decision needs to be made, and much as this will break my heart. He will be my last one:( I went through so much heartache to find him it will be very difficult to let him go, crying:( I have an appt booked for PEI for the 23rd if all goes well with my ride, if nothing else hopefully I will have some answers.

really really really SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:05 pm

Just a thought on the bute - my mother has severe back issues steel rods from the waist to shoulder bones. She lives on painkillers - maybe we should liken long term bute to that??? If it keeps them comfortable?? I don't know, it is tough. If only they could talk and let us know how bad it really is... it would make these choices so much easier. Good luck in PEI PaintedRidge, I am hoping you find some answers and get some help for your guy. Keep us posted, sending lots of positive vibes for your guy.

Well I'm back off outside to clean out my guys foot and rub on some hoof cream ... I'm sure it doesn't help but it doesn't hurt.

I am going to have to make a choice this fall on our appy mare. She is slowly but surely getting more lame, and in more joints. Vet thinks it is in her back now.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:06 pm

Hi girls..

If Bute didn't have the nasty side effects I would have no problem keeping Boom on it...but stomach ulcers and eventual renal failure are just two I want to avoid if at all possible. I will give it to him when he needs it tho...my regualr vet recommends 5 days on 10 days off.

Tango I am with you...I just want a trusty trail partner. Today we went on a long walk (both of us walking of course) thru the woods, just the two of us, and I realized just how happy this big guy makes me. He didn't like the hills, but that is typical of Navicular. As much as I will miss riding him, I also realized that if this is the best we can accomplish, with hopefully an occassional ride, I will be more than happy to walk along beside him for however long it takes.

Paintedridge...good luck in PEI..we will be there with you in spirit ;o) It does really suck.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:36 pm

Thanks just comfirmed our ride. I will let you know how it goes, they sound really great, so I feel better that my best bud will be in capable hands. I am with you both It took so long just to find a reliable trail horse that I could tust and love, now to see that all slipping away just crushes me. I too would be just happy with his companionship and light riding at this point. He is such a good solemate.

Tango sorry about your app mare, that is the hardest decision to make.

Would be interesting to find out about the food for feet. I will ask TC
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:00 am

old Abbey was a pasture pet for 10 years......we would go for walks in hand....I think I may have ridden her 7 times in that span, and one of them was on the beach and she had practically pushed everyone else out of the way to get on the trailer....You guys are a lot younger than me and I know that the idea of not being able to ride your best friend is a really sad and depressing thought.....but please....before you make any critical decisions, do check into the Barefoot trimming(not just no shoes) and diet along with Paddock Paradise.....having them move constantly is one of the most important things in good feet management. I wish you all the best of luck in helping your friends continue to have happy, productive lives....

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:03 am

Thanks Joan I am not sure about the younger thing. I plan to do whatever it takes to get my guy healthly, will look into all the suggestions:) I just need some real answers first. I like the pasture paridise, hubby, well not too sure, but he will do it for Ridge we only have a small space but could do something to that effect to make it interesting for Ridge. I will let everyone know how it turns out and I anyone has any suggestions about feed I am all ears.

Right now he is only on a handful of hatstreatch, (too mix in suppliments) and hay. Will have to wait untill get clearance from vet to switch feeds, but would love to have any insight on what would help. Keep in mind Low suguars. He is a very easy keeper and does not need weight on:)

Thanks All for the support, kindness and knowledge
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:48 pm

So sorry to hear about this Kim. Ridge is such a beautiful, good boy and perfect trail buddy. Good luck in PEI...I hope you get some solid answers so you can get his footsies healed once and for all!
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:50 pm

thanks Annette, I know he is such a sweet animal and friend, I will never find another one like him:(

will let you know how we make out.

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:54 am

I ordered the cavallo sport boots for my guy they are more oval shaped than round like the simple boot. I really like them!! So easy to put on, and they seem to fit my guy very well. He looked pretty good in them. He didn't seem to limp as much with them on. He is due for the farrier and I see a couple of suspect cut like things on his heel. Another abscess perhaps.

Anyway, anyone considering the sport boot they are really nice. Hopefully they hold up well. I got the better part of two years out of the simple boot.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:22 am


Yes I have four of them they do help:)
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:09 am

i turn Boomer out in his...They are almost a year and a half old...WELL worth the money!
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone recommend a good Vet for Laminitis?   Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:25 pm

A pretty good sale on them right now on the website. The american site has them in purple, the sport only came in black though.

I am hopeful that my guy was acting more sore (bad grammar?) again as he may have worked loose another abscess. He has never had them before, I wonder if it is his foot adjusting - we have a better angle on it, hopefully keeping his weight back a bit off the toe. Or maybe, despite having the farrier show me where and how to file I am messing him up.

He looks quite a bit better today, but I only lunged him a minute in the pasture on soft ground. But I'll take what bits of good I can :-).



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